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Barking up the wrong tree on forums

25 Oct, 2010 12:00 AM
Wollongong City council's neighbourhood forums have come under fire with some residents dismissing them as an unworkable waste of time.

Coledale's Terry Dunning said the forum failed when faced with its first contentious issue - the Sharkeys Beach off-leash area.

The forum was swamped by people from outside forum boundaries who swayed the vote.

The council, however, maintains the forums, introduced in 2008, were not designed as a decision-making process because "the council collates and considers a range of information when making a decision".

The forums were just one way the council consults with the community, the spokesperson said.

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    Residents, however, say this is nonsensical and raises questions as to why people would waste their time attending meetings. One of the residents' biggest gripes over the Sharkeys Beach decision was what they called undue reliance by council on a petition containing nearly 500 names.

    Mr Dunning said it was the deciding factor despite the fact many of the signatures were from people outside the area.

    The council rejected this, saying it based its decision on "feedback forms, letters, submissions and petitions" which were in favour of maintaining an off-leash area for dogs.

    Mr Dunning, however, cited a council document on community feedback that reads: 38 per cent of people wanted Sharkeys Beach changed to on-leash and 41 per cent didn't want it changed.

    The document said council also considered an off-leash petition with 492 signatures against a petition of 60 signatures opposed to an off-leash area.

    Mr Dunning said without clearly defined voting rights "you may as well stay at home and organise petitions".

    "It seems absurd to divide the city into forum boundaries and then say anybody can vote on any issue," he said.

    Coledale's Bruce Reyburn agreed the forums were in need of a rethink and the issue of petitions needed to be clarified.

    "There is nothing wrong in submitting a petition but the real issue becomes what weight is to be put on one that is gathered over a wide area by special interest groups," he said.

    Coledale resident Julie Boers said if forums were structured properly they could be a valuable community asset.

    "I think most people are fair-minded and will go with the majority but it has to be a true majority.

    "When people become disenchanted they tend to walk away and we need more people to take an interest in local communities."

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    Council was asked to look at the problems with the Forums in a review by Elton Consulting but they refused. Wollongong ratepayers paid the Consultants fees and paid for the report. We are still paying Council Officers to attend eighty Neighbourhood Forums a year after hours. So what are we paying for?
    Posted by Sack the Administrators, 25/10/2010 10:43:49 AM, on Illawarra Mercury
    Neighbourhood Forums were never intended (by the WCC people who designed them - not people in community) to actually have any kind of decision-making power or even any real influence. NFs have no real resources to represent the wider constituency of their local area. Requests to the community for support have also been unsuccessful (in the case of NF2). According to one Council officer who is part of the community engagement section, a NF which (say) 100 people attended and voted (as a whole) on a major issue would carry the same weight as a single letter written by a member of the public. As to who can speak and vote at NFs, WCC officers have been unable to clarify these issues. They don't even know where the boundaries of NFs are in relation to their own maps (referred to as part of the NFCharter). There is so much woolly thinking within this section of WCC that it is a waste of time even trying to pursue these matters with WCC. What WCC urgently needs to do is to engage the services of an experienced consultant (from outside of Wollongong) who can innovate some best practice for community consultation/engagement - in partnership with our communities.
    Posted by Bruce of Coledale, 25/10/2010 2:10:38 PM, on Illawarra Mercury
    The assumption is that the Community Forums work well as long as there is no orchestrated outside influence at work manipulating the online submissions. I think the Community Forums themselves are intrinsically unrepresentative. When I have attended, what do I find? First, an average age of 65 for attendees. Second, shrill, virulent anti-development attitude along with a "don't change anything - we like it as it is" mentality. Seriously these aging baby boomers were still cranky about the Ibis Hotel development behind the mall. Calling it an eye sore. When I asked if they recalled the falling down abandoned petrol station with weeds and grass growing up to your thighs that was there before this smart, modern building which adds to the region's employment profile and draws in visitors for a reasonable tariff, they snarled that they preferred the weeds and asbestos! Finally, no one appeared to be working - they were all retirees with oodles of time on their hands so plenty of time to spend agitating on their favourite issues.They have zero commitment to jobs creation, housing - including affordable housing - in their localities and simply want to pickle Wollongong in aspic.
    Posted by Community Forums are Dinosaurs, 25/10/2010 2:12:41 PM, on Illawarra Mercury
    Having witnessed first hand the ineffectiveness of these forums through NF2 on various issues; not just the dogs on beaches debacle, I'm left to wonder why WCC assigns any representitives to the meetings at all. If the meeting holds no voting rights or extra consideration within WCC why would I participate with a very slow moving NF when I could just write my own WCC letter... As a concerned member of my community I should be able to interact far more effectively with WCC. WCC needs to get it's head out of the poo stained sand and have a look at what works quite effectively in other councils.
    Posted by Coledale Resident, 25/10/2010 8:16:52 PM, on Illawarra Mercury
    "Community forums are dinosaurs" has a good point about the need for any form of Council-community group to be representative of the whole local community, and not dominated by a small segment or single issue group, and also to ensure that the range of interests he/she mentions are included in making balanced decisions. There are real problems with these 'early forms of life'. So how do we assist the evolutionary process and overcome these problems?
    Posted by Bruce of Coledale, 26/10/2010 5:37:09 AM, on Illawarra Mercury
    These forums are only there so the Administrators can claim they are trying to include the ratepayer,and hopefully keep us quiet till the council election.The problem is, council make stupid decisions ,do stupid things ,don't include residents, and wonder why we have an adverse reaction.Even Council employees were stunned when $10,000 was spent to fix up a prawn in Berkeley.
    Posted by bushie, 26/10/2010 8:59:27 AM, on Illawarra Mercury
    If they actually wanted widespread representation they would schedule forum meetings when the rest of us workers and family people can actually get there. Not at dinner time on a weeknight, 4pm on Wednesday afternoons or in the middle of the sports run on Saturday mornings. They know when the most people are likely to turn up as we all do if we think logically about it. It's not rocket science. If you want to get your own way you start by pointing the finger at the CF "loonies" who want everything to go back to the 1880's. Thast way you can do what you like, while looking like a reasonable and moderate council. The current system works like a charm so Council can do as they please while operating under a fascade of "community engagement".
    Posted by Sailor Gal, 26/10/2010 11:32:51 AM, on Illawarra Mercury
    Online forums are the way to go. They allow ideas to be developed through comments and discussion themes, can link to quick polls or extensive surveys, can collect relevant demographic information and are verfied. Time for Council to incorporate online consultation! check out http://pmhclistening.com.au/dogs
    Posted by online, 26/10/2010 12:37:06 PM, on Illawarra Mercury

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