They've been at the heart of a Socceroos golden generation, but Kembla Grange trainer Donna Grisedale is really none the wiser about the exploits of stable clients Lucas Neill and Scott Chipperfield.
She doesn't follow football and speaks to them only about their horses, but knows they will be watching Defenceman from afar when he seeks a fortune-reversing win at Kembla today.
"Normally it would be [intimidating training for them], but because I don't follow soccer it's just like me and you talking to each other," she said.
"It's kind of a bit daunting training for Australian superstars, but because they're not here all the time I just talk to them like it's someone I know really well."
The Japan-based Neill and former teammate Chipperfield, now residing in Switzerland, share in the ownership of the former Robert Heathcote-trained gelding. Until recently, another former Socceroos skipper in Craig Moore also raced Defenceman.
The now five-year-old enjoyed multiple city wins when prepared in Brisbane, but Grisedale is hoping a more conservative riding approach might help him recapture that form in the Benchmark 65 Handicap (1600m).
"He's been a confusing horse," Grisedale said of his three runs for the new stable. "The owners have wanted him to lead all the time, but I just don't think it's been working.
"Although he's drawn well for the first time, [today] we're just going to sit on the pace without pushing him too much and just try to let him finish off that way."
The son of Reset has run into some handy types of late, with Epsom-bound Ecuador streeting the field in Defenceman's last start at Canterbury.
Grisedale has elected to replace gun Kembla apprentice Winona Costin with husband Jon for today's assignment.
"Every time this horse has run he's taken on some very handy horses, as you'll see with the topweight in Casiroll," Grisedale said. "We just seem to always strike a really handy horse ... not just your average one.
"His past form is outstanding and he's won four in town already so we know he can run. We normally have put an apprentice rider on him, but we've gone back to a senior rider because I just think the horse needs a senior ride on him."
Chipperfield also has a stake in the Grisedale-trained St Sully, running in the Class 2 Handicap.