He probably wouldn't admit to it now but my brother was once a bit of a wrestling fan.
We're not talking about the flashy World Wresting Federation, or whatever it's called, with its colour, chaos and over-the-top storylines.
Oh no, we're going back to the old days, where wrestlers wore little more than those large-sized Speedos, never entered the ring in costume and were far from household names.
This was a time when the "is it fake?" issue was very much alive; some people actually thought the "sport" was legit and would get into arguments with those who thought otherwise.
These days everyone knows it's fake but back then, even the wrestlers themselves wanted people to think the high jinks in the ring were real.
As well as realising it was fake, I found wrestling dull - which was a problem growing up in a one-TV household.
When asked why he liked it, my brother would give the answer I didn't understand then and I still don't understand now.
"I like it because it's so bad, it's good."
That's a mindset I can never comprehend. Because, really, something bad can't turn into something good. That's not how it works.
I thought about this again while flicking through the channels on Sunday night and finding some Eurovision-themed show.
I think it was a COVID-19 version of the song contest - it doesn't really matter, because Eurovision is garbage.
Some, however, will insist it's not and invoke the "so bad, it's good" defence.
But it's not. It's just bad. That defence is just a ruse to avoid admitting that you actually like bad things, that maybe your taste leans a bit towards the tacky side.
The same defence is used for nasty, ugly shows like Married at First Sight.
Fans know the show is tacky, that some of the people on it are nasty pieces of work but they still love it.
Yet they don't seem to acknowledge the show is clearly, obviously irredeemably terrible.
You like wrestling, crappy reality shows or Eurovision? Fine - just admit that you like something terrible and stop with the "so bad it's good" delusions.